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Cloudflare acquires Astro

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https://www.cloudflare.com/pl-pl/press/press-releases/2026/c...

philipallstar
It would be good to understand what Cloudflare gets out of the deal. The article is very much just "Astro, but someone else pays the bills!" which is of course lovely for Astro.
mpeg
Same reason vercel buys open source... it makes cloudflare always a great deployment option for all Astro sites, which in turn helps cloudflare's core business.

For example, Cloudflare released their vite plugin which makes it effortless for frameworks that use the vite env API to run inside workerd (meaning you get to use cloudflare service bindings in dev) back in April and only React Router had support for it. Nextjs has no support, the draft PR to add support for Sveltekit has been parked until the next major version, Astro only just added support in their beta 6.0 release 3 days ago

With this acquisition, Astro will probably be first to future updates that increase compatibility with cloudflare. It's smart, and was probably not very expensive (more of an acqui-hire)

cornholio
So, cloudification: lock the customer into a complex cloud dependent solution they can't easily migrate to some other commodity infrastructure provider.
mynameisvlad
What lock in? They explicitly said:

Staying open to all was a non-negotiable requirement for both us and for Cloudflare.

They have deployment guides for practically every provider out there: https://docs.astro.build/en/guides/deploy/

And at the end of the day, most of the deployment is just deploying a static site... Which you can do practically anywhere.

thayne
They can stay open source, but stop putting any effort into supporting deploying to cloudflare's competitors, including accepting PRs for such improvements.

Or they could add features that only work if you deploy via cloudflare.

I also take anything said in an acquisition announcement with a grain of salt. It is pretty common for companies to make changes they said they wouldn't a few years after an acquisition.

mynameisvlad
Once again, it’s a static site builder. How, exactly, would they “stop supporting deploying to cloudflare’s competitors”? Be specific.
HumanOstrich
The same ways Vercel makes it harder to deploy Next.js sites to competitors or for self hosting.
theturtletalks
Vercel does not make Next.js hard to deploy elsewhere. Next.js runs fine on serverful platforms like Railway, Render, and Heroku. I have run a production Next.js SaaS on Railway for years with no issues.

What Vercel really did was make Next.js work well in serverless environments, which involves a lot of custom infrastructure[0]. Cloudflare wanted that same behavior on CF Workers, but Vercel never open-sourced how they do it, and that is not really their responsibility.

Next.js is not locked to Vercel. The friction shows up when trying to run it in a serverless model without building the same kind of platform Vercel has.

0. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIVL4JMqRfc

NicoJuicy
So it is vendor locked by Vercel. That's why there is OpenNext - https://opennext.js.org/
fady0
Next.js isn't just a static site generator.
HumanOstrich
Astro isn't just a static site generator either. Not sure what your point is.
mynameisvlad
Yes it is. All of the providers support “Static”, which literally means uploading /dist to your provider of choice.

They also have three pages worth of deployment adapters for one line deployment on many platforms, including many built by the community. https://astro.build/integrations/?search=&categories%5B%5D=a...

Did you even bother to look at their site or even better the guides I posted upthread or just decide to pull that out of your ass?

HumanOstrich
Did YOU even bother to look at their site? They support more than static generation, including SSR and even API endpoints. That means Astro has a server that can run server-side (or serverless) to do more than static site generation, so it's not just a static site generator either.

And yes I can see you're posting the same lie all over the comments here.

Stop being a potty mouth.

Capricorn2481
Can you describe what you mean here? Because I have heard this about 100 times and never understood what people mean when they say this. I am hosting a NextJS site without Vercel and I had no special consideration for it.
mplewis
Yeah. For now.
bahmboo
That's always been true. Perhaps even more so as Astro constantly faced an existential battle for a working business. Now they don't have to do that and Cloudflare makes their money on their infra business. Locking Astro up now or in the future gains them very little compared to how much they make with hosted upsell services. [edit: clarity]
mynameisvlad
It's a static site builder. It creates a static site. HTML, CSS, and JS. That you can then upload literally anywhere.

Once again, what lock in? There is literally nothing to lock in. Explain exactly how they are going to lock somebody in, moreso than the lazy "for now" which you seem to constantly repeat.

mmooss
They can say whatever they want, and then do whatever they want. They have no contractual or legal obligation.

Almost every (it seems) acquisition begins with saying, 'nothing will change and the former management will stay on'. A year later, the former managment leaves and things change dramatically.

taraindara
The easier/convenient a cloud makes it for a business to use, the more the industry will continue to trend towards lock in
ghurtado
I don't see the relation between those two
mikodin
I essentially do a 1 click deployment for my personal site with Cloudflare.

I don't want to deal with the cloud infra for my personal site.

I could, I've done it in corporate, I've done it for my startup 2 years ago. But I'm rusty, I don't know what the latest people are using for configuration, etc.

Because there is 1 click with CF or Vercel and I don't have to think about it—I don't. If they increase their price it likely wouldn't be enough friction for me dust off the rust.

I think this is the relation. I'm not locked in, it's just HTML pages, but I am through my own habit energy, tech changing, and what I want to put effort into, which is not infra and serving my site.

sofixa
No? It's still the same Astro that you can move to any other provider that supports it - and it's just Javascript, so pretty much everyone supports it.
mplewis
For now.
jtbaker
Nextjs has no support

From what I remember, you can't even run a NextJS app through vite?

mpeg
Yes, that's part of the problem, deploying nextjs to cloudflare in the first place used to be an absolute nightmare, let alone the dev experience (I think it's better now)
jamieatlason
It's gotten a lot better since last year with OpenNext. Last I tested was Next.js 15 though. Who knows what Vercel has broken with Next.js 16.

https://opennext.js.org/cloudflare

sp4cec0wb0y
Wasn't this a decision made by Vercel to incentivize people using Vercel for NextJS apps? I can't recall.
mattgreenrocks
This is insane to me, and validates my irrational dislike of next.
hungryhobbit
Definitely irrational. There are lots of logical reasons to dislike Next (like the fact that they pile new shiny bit on top of new shiny bit without caring about the regular user experience) ... but being mad that it can't run on Vite is silly.

It's like being mad that Rails can't run on Python, or that React can't run on jQuery. Next already has its own build system, so of course it doesn't work with another build system.

mattgreenrocks
Isn’t the next.js build system known for being slow/memory hungry?
mzronek
Luckily DX is much better now with Turbopack as a bundler. First they improved the dev server, now with Turbo builds the production builds are faster as well. Still not fully stable in my opinion, but they will get there.

It's also wise to use monorepo orchestration with build caching like Turborepo.

They did well on the turbo stuff, no doubt about it.

The main bottleneck with big projects in my experience is Typescript. Looking forward to the Go rewrite. :)

pjmlp
For those stuck in the past yes, they have replaced it with a Rust based toolchain, as is so fashionable nowadays.
jtbaker
100% rational. Nuxt/Astro FTW.
Vinnl
That doesn't sound too preposterous; I wouldn't assume you'd be able to run a React Router project on Turbopack or Webpack either, and Next.js I think has a way more intricate dependence on the bundler to power a significant chunk of its features.
Seattle3503
So when folks say they want to see big companies invest in open source, this is what that looks like. CF could have kept coasting on what Astro was building, but instead they are paying for it. But in return they get a lot of control.
ignoramous
CF could have kept coasting on what Astro was building, but instead they are paying for it. But in return they get a lot of control.

Supabase pioneered the modern implementation of this model. Probably, RedHat before it? Google also tend to "acquihire" maintainers of popular FOSS projects, like Ben Goodger (Firefox), Scott Remnant (Upstart), Junio Hamano (Git), Guido von Rossum (Python).

skybrian
Well, hopefully more like Go's relationship with Google? The company that pays the bills is their first and most important customer, but as far as I can tell from the outside, the Go team makes its own plans and management doesn't pull rank.
knowitnone3
You know this because you work on the Go team or part of google management?
Seattle3503
Definitely!
jjmarr
I use Astro so I could make my blog a static site and deploy it to Cloudflare pages.

I was impressed since I got interactive compilation and state tracking of how many exercises the user completed.

https://jjmarr.com/blog/structured-bindings-structs/

slfreference
I have a question. Why can't Whatsapp or Meta make a markdown INFO only website for small business owners (e.g. technicians, shopkeepers, handyman, etc) using their immense reach and clout. The method of using whatsapp groups to keep users updated of the latest updates is not scalable or open.
basch
too big to deliver simple solutions? youre making way too much sense and this would die in committee or be replaced when someone new needs to justify themselves by launching a new product to supplant an existing one.
deaux
Because they much rather have those small businesses use a Facebook page for that purpose, which is the status quo in the West.
Y_Y
This reads like marketing copy. Maybe it reflects your actual feelings but it's hard to imagine that if you don't write like a human.
mpeg
Not sure how to feel about this! I’ve been known to use em dashes every now and then, but I am indeed a fellow human.

I’m close to the vite plugin in particular and have contributed to multiple frameworks around cf integration (simply because I use cf), that’s why I chose it as an example (and it’s one of Astro 6’s biggest features)

satvikpendem
It does not read like marketing copy to me, what part of talking about draft PRs and framrworks sounds like marketing speak? They're right that CloudFlare having priority access to new Astro features is beneficial for them.
ghurtado
What a bizarre comment. What part of it was "not human" in your opinion?
paxys
They get to make Astro -> Cloudflare the default publishing pipeline. Sure users may pick something else, but even if a small % stick with Cloudflare that's an overall win.
threetonesun
I expected something clearer in the blog post about deploying Astro on Cloudflare Pages, as I imagine many Astro users (like me) are on Netlify.

I think every deployment pipeline having it's own preferred UI framework (and CMS, and cloud-DB solution) makes a lot of sense.

HumanOstrich
Why did you expect info about deploying Astro to Cloudflare Pages? It's been supported for a long time already.
threetonesun
Seems like an obvious thing to call out for people (like me) who don't know.
HumanOstrich
So something like "now that we own Astro, all of you using Netlify should start migrating to Cloudflare Pages"?
threetonesun
"Hey don't forget it's easy to deploy Astro on Cloudflare pages" with a link to the docs? I saw them mention deployments to Cloudflare (and continuing to support other platforms) but had to go look up what Cloudflare's platform is even called myself. Seems like a missed marketing opportunity.
csomar
Nextjs doesn’t really work on cloudflare with the latest versions. There is an adapter but it’s buggy as hell. The direction is also likely to continue: https://omarabid.com/nextjs-vercel

Source: I use cloudflare and used to run my app there (nextjs) and had to do a migration to vite.js. So the way I see it, this is cloudflare response to vercel.

solarkraft
My god. Every time I touch Next.js in some project I think “hey, this actually doesn’t feel so bad to develop with, dare I say it feels nice?“ and every time I read about it I think “what the hell, this is the worst choice you can make“.

It’s wild that they’re somewhat taking the whole React ecosystem with them.

everybodyknows
Following your link, the fault for this appears to lie entirely with Vercel management.

Cross fingers that CloudFlare never try similar lock-in games, now that they control Astro?

csomar
I don’t think so since they are using the worker model. My guess is that the first class support will go to that. Though they can do lockin differently (kv, queues, etc..)
Aissen
What does Vercel get out of Next.js? Just default integration of overpriced cloud infra.
azangru
Vercel was founded (or co-founded?) by the author of Next.js. That's a very different story. Vercel is like what some hypothetical Astro Cloud could have become if it had grown out of Astro.
amitav1
I don't care, it's a stupid question.
pjmlp
It gets to be THE platform where to deploy frontends for many headless enterprise CMS and comerce stores that due to partnerships with Vercel only have Next.js based SDKs.

Additionally, I wish more serveless cloud vendors would offer a free tier like Vercel, including support for compiled languages on the backend (C, C++, Rust, Go) without asking me for a credit card upfront.

bflesch
Cloudflare definitely gets positive PR out of this which makes people forget their CEO's recent meltdown on twitter.
chuckadams
The "meltdown" where he refused to jump to the whims of Italy's football cartel and block whatever addresses they wanted without accountability or review? More meltdowns, please.
epolanski
A meltdown is a meltdown.

Cloudflare is bound to respect the laws of the countries it operates, and if he disagrees with the process, understandable, that was not the way to express it.

philipwhiuk
Feels like they are trying to do vertical integration on the whole stack and compete with Vercel.
pjmlp
For me, anyone that tries to compete with Vercel has to beat their offering in backend runtimes.
zipy124
Sometimes it is cheaper to buy a company than build the internal tool team you might have had to build from scratch anyway. Half acqui-hire, half knowing you've built something on-top of it and want it to stick around.

I also wouldn't be surprised if cloudflare wants to build this into their site-hosting capabilities.

pier25
Probably better support for CF Workers/Pages and better integration with Wrangler.
adverbly
I for one host several Astro sites on Cloudflare Pages.

Its quite a nice DX actually.

I could see Cloudflare just wanting to push for a bit more vertical integration in the space to give themselves some more options.

kelvinjps10
Advertise their solution? Now astro can put them into the main deploying option and that's a good way for cloudfare to acquire new customers
nindalf
None of us have access to Cloudflare's internal data. But a reasonable guess is that enough of their current and future paying customers use Astro? I'm one of those - Astro hosted on Cloudflare.
jayanmn
VMware maintained spring framework for many years. It was good ( as a user)
whimsicalism
cloudflare wants to be vercel
unfunco
Cloudflare wants to be worth much less?
pxtail
It's obvious when you look at https://astro.build/blog/astro-6-beta/ and see "Cloudflare" sprinkled everywhere in the article.
richardwhiuk
https://www.tumblr.com/ourincrediblejourney

This is probably just an acquihire.

lateral_cloud
Mindshare with developers is what cloudflare gets
arjie
Very nice to see these dev tools get an exit. e.g. I love `uv` and friends but did consider that perhaps dev tools are just a bad business and then no one will go into making that kind of stuff. Good exits means more of these tools.

I have only used Astro for toy stuff but it seemed neat. Congrats to the team.

EDIT: To put paid to the sidebar discussion below, yes I meant "for instance, consider `uv`; they might do these nice things and go nowhere but now that companies like Bun and Astro have gotten acquired, it demonstrates a future for others; therefore we will get more things like Astral's `uv` and so on". Hope that clarifies.

css_apologist
i'm interpreting this in the reverse

if dev tools can only be "monetized" by being bought out, it does not feel sustainable on any level

we will see companies attempt to do things like close source these projects, go subscription based, or just straight up drop support

there is no incentives for cloudflare to make astro better, or even keep it around

same goes with bun, svelte, and i'm sure countless others

JavierFlores09
Who's to say there's no incentive. Anthropic using Bun internally is plenty incentive to make it better even if for their own use-case. I think it is a bit of a doomer perspective to think anything being bought out means the end of the line for that project. Sure, some things might change depending on the interests of the new owners but that's not to say it'll automatically become bad. Microsoft bought Github and Mojang, they're both doing better than ever for example
stephenr
GitHub is without question worse for users now.
catlifeonmars
GitHub continues to become less and less usable (slower performance) while the number of features proliferate. On the one hand, being part of larger company _can_ relieve the pressure to stay profitable. But on the other hand, acquisitions tend to get cannibalized by the companies that acquire them. Profitability tends to become less and less aligned with usability.
Joeri
Realistically to maintain a modern web framework to even a minimal standard you need a few people working fulltime on it, and more than a few if you want to take it places. There needs to be some kind of long term sustainable vehicle for funding those developers, either a corporate sponsor or a foundation.

So all those frameworks have to end up somewhere, and I’d rather it be somewhere else than vercel, as they already own way too much of the web frontend space.

re-thc
there is no incentives for cloudflare to make astro better, or even keep it around

There is - to counter NextJs. NextJs is a pain to host outside Vercel and makes Cloudflare lose customers. In theory that's why Gatsby was bought out.

same goes with bun, svelte, and i'm sure countless others

Svelte was also taken over by Vercel. To control frontend hosting. Bun isn't in the same bucket. There isn't such competition going on.

woodruffw
This is Astro, not Astral. uv is Astral :-)

Edit: OP clarified what they meant, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding on my part!

satvikpendem
They know, hence why they used e.g., i.e. exempli gratia
woodruffw
I don't think that's really clear. I think we could both defer to the OP clarifying.

For pedantry's sake: neither i.e. nor e.g. would be correct here. You want cf. ("conferatur") to invite a comparison; e.g. is when an example pertains to an instance. In this case uv would not pertain to the instance, because Astro is not Astral.

0xFF0123
cf. would invite a fair bit of confusion on an article about cloudflare
woodruffw
I agree! That's why I think it's probably just a confusion between entities. It doesn't make sense either as example or as a comparison (although IMO it makes more sense as the latter).

(For the OP: I'm sorry if I misinterpreted you.)

arjie
It's all good. Hardly matters. It was just becoming too big a discussion for something far too minor. Any frustration I had from being misunderstood (primarily self-directed) was alleviated from satvikpendem guessing correctly what I intended.
rdiddly
"e.g." IS correct because uv is an example or instance of a dev tool.
scoot
"e.g." isn't used correctly here. It's intended use is as a connector linking a clause to examples supporting that clause. You can't simply substitute "for example" with "e.g." anywhere in a sentence and expect it to function correctly.

Regardless, these Latin abbreviations best avoided entirely due to the surprising number of readers who don't understand them.

725686
For the perplex:

e.g. is latin for "exempli gratia" = for example i.e. is latin for "id est" = that is

huhkerrf
A good way to remember it is to use a backronym:

e.g. - example given

i.e. - in effect

programjames
i.e. - in eother (words)
istjohn
in explanation
spondyl
As someone who was perplexed, I've only heard perplex used in past tense (I was perplexed) so seeing "For the perplex" just made me confused as to what "perplex" meant and I had to do a further search to decipher this tree of comments haha
thayne
I'm not sure. I wouldn't generally call Astro a "dev tool". It's more of a framework.

It's possible you are right, but it isn't clear from the content of the comment.

Jenk
Frameworks are a category of development tool. Things that developers utilitise to be productive.
thayne
IMO saying a framework is a dev tool is like saying a cake mix is a cooking tool, because it allows you to be more productive when making a cake. Sure, if you look at it a certain way, it is correct. But that isn't the way the term is usually used.
badeeya
Like coffee?
dvfjsdhgfv
It confused me as hell as my first thought was "oh great, astral.sh got bought by a large company, now we've eliminated the last obstacle to using uv in enterprise context" only to realize that it's another company with similar name.

I mean good for them, but it would be nice if the same happened to e.g. Astral (cf.).

umpalumpaaa
I think DevTools can be a very good money maker… I wrote two apps that were basically dev tools and they were the biggest of my money makers. I think it’s easier to make money from dev tools that are “apps” than dev tools that are “fundamental technologies” though so it probably heavily depends on the type of dev tools…
mikepurvis
It's probably also easier to make cottage-industry money from a single useful tool and some associated services/consulting than it is to turn the whole thing into a big company expected to do the hockey stick curve thing (eg Docker).

It'll be interesting to see where Astral ends up landing on that; afaik they have a small team and have only raised seed money, but who knows.

CamouflagedKiwi
I don't know if it's easier. I definitely think it's better, but there can be a lure to VC money that puts a company like Docker on that path. There's a world where Docker is a small company earning individually good money but with no hockey stick curve, and I think that's more sustainable and ultimately better for them.

I suppose they might disagree, of course :)

wbl
Docker was not gonna make it as a small individual tool as something podman like would get traction in that market.
stephenr
Very nice to see these dev tools get an exit. e.g. I love `uv` and friends but did consider that perhaps dev tools are just a bad business

I can't even begin to comprehend what kind of world view you need to have, to think that being bought out by some megacorp with an at-best 50/50 chance of continuing existing products is an accurate measure of a "good business", much less that its the only measure.

twelvedogs
yeah the thing about dev tools is that devs love writing them and your market is just devs
alephnerd
Very nice to see these dev tools get an exit...

You'll see a lot more in the next 12 months ;)

embedding-shape
In 2021, Astro was born out of frustration. The trend at the time was that every website should be architected as an application, and then shipped to the user’s browser to render.

Was it? Hot damn, I knew it'll eventually happen, but we truly are just running around in circles. Eventually these same people will do the same loop around, creating new frameworks because the current "server<>client" model suddenly doesn't make any sense anymore, and of course this should be rendered server-side.

Why are we doomed to repeat this, and why does it happen so quickly particularly in web development? We have each other's histories and knowledge right in front of us, what's missing for us to not continue just running around in circles like this?

philipwhiuk
Yeah, I'm not sure I understand why "islands" isn't just "bits of JavaScript on a static page".

It feels like the "JavaScript as a Server Side Language" folk are just repeatedly re-inventing stuff that has been done a million times by other systems with a different back-end only with a new fancy name.

mpeg
The key difference between islands and what we used to do back in the day (js on a static page) is that with an islands approach you architect your site with a components-driven approach where everything encapsulates the js/css/html it needs, then you mark it as an "interactive" island if you actually need client-side js to run – the code is the same, but it either runs only in the server (default) or in both server and client.

I know this sounds similar, but, compared to the more traditional approach, there is a certain simplicity to having everything just be javascript. You can often run the same libraries on both server and client depending on your needs, plus it fulfills the promise of web components in a way that is easier to work with (though WCs have also come a long way!)

charleszw
I will also say encapsulating everything you just said in a single term, "islands," is a lot simpler and prettier to discuss. At least from my perspective, the naming also makes a lot of sense. Literal islands of interactivity surrounded by an ocean of static.
efilife
the naming is backwards then. An island is static, an ocean is not. See how it is a buzzword up to your interpretation?
aatd86
now that you say it :o

Should be astro lakes or something.

mpeg
Islands is just a catchy name I guess. I always thought the markojs terms for it made sense, but are more technical / less catchy: they called it “full page hydration” -> everything needs to be delivered as js and “component level hydration” -> islands, only specific component sub-trees need to be hydrated.

Then “sub-component level hydration” would be resumability like in qwik where only events and their dependencies get serialised as client js.

aatd86
Yeah. Well to their defense, it is probably to be understood as islands of interactivity lost in a sea of static elements. The term is definitely more evocative.
dreadnip
You can do this with just about any programming language or scripting language that can render HTML on the server + plain HTML and JS. You could do this with PHP 30 years ago.
mpeg
Yes and no, php didn’t give you any tools to manage this, most people writing php sites back in the day (including myself) were writing js that was coupled to a specific markup yet was maintained separately. This didn’t scale well.

Then along came libraries like mootools, knockout, etc all the precursors of react, then react changed the game around encapsulation of markup and code into one place, and straightforward data flow.

SPAs were inefficient so server side rendering of js became ubiquitous, islands are a further optimisation of ssr.

This hasn’t happened in a vacuum, if you look at modern php frameworks like inertia they have a lot more in common with Astro than they do the good old 90s php

s4i
You could and yet nobody did.

You need to give credit to a project like Astro that takes a pattern, popularizes it and makes it straightforward to adopt via a framework.

buu700
Here's a trivial example: https://supremecommander.ai. A raw CSS implementation of my blog's logo would have been a pain to build and maintain, but with Astro the code is relatively straightforward JS that becomes pure HTML/CSS at build-time.

The other nice thing is that you can throw all kinds of preexisting components from React/whatever into your site, and it will ship zero JS to the client until you explicitly flag a specific JS resource as an "island".

The only special thing about "islands" is that they're an escape hatch from the default behavior of JS being strictly build-time-evaluated. I found the terminology and description a little confusing at first too, because it makes it sound more special than it is. But the concept makes sense when you understand the context of Astro's intentional default behavior.

weakfish
Your website also reloads itself every 4 seconds for me on mobile Firefox
buu700
Good to know, thanks! I can't reproduce that on Android (and it's especially weird since the site has almost no JS), but I'll investigate and try to figure it out.
weakfish
Np! Hopefully my comment didn’t come off aggressive, meant it to be helpful
buu700
lol, well I'd appreciate the heads up even if it were meant to be aggressive, but thanks. Should be good now; the issue was most likely a CSS animation causing your browser tab to crash, so now it'll just turn off the animation whenever the page is quickly reloaded twice in a row.

By the way, I'm getting a 404 at https://www.weakphi.sh/showcase.

graypegg
It has been funny seeing the tide come in and out now a few times. Though I will admit that each time, the ergonomics get better. AJAX as a pattern was pretty gnarly if you wanted to do a bit more than update a notification badge or comment box.

There's a really nice pattern of using Custom Elements[0] for that sort of JS interactivity sprinkling. You can make your web application however you want, and when you want the client to run some JS, you just drop in `<my-component x="..." y="...">...</my-component>` with whatever flavour of HTML templating you have available to you. (also possibly with the is= attribute in the future[1], which will let you keep more of the HTML template out of JS)

It saves you the hassle of element targeting and lets you structure that part of your app a bit more without going overboard on "everything is a react component, even the server bits".

Want something "server side generated" in that JS? Just render it in attributes/body/a slot element/a template element, and expect to pick it up in the JS side of things. Feels like how it's supposed to be... and there's no framework required!

[0] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_compone...

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/...

WorldMaker
Custom Elements do start to feel like the dream of the Knockout-era web of "Progressive Enhancement" is finally almost entirely out of the box in the browser. Especially ignoring the Shadow DOM and using Light DOM to style your unpopulated or static rendered fallback states as close to your "live" JS-driven state can lead to some very good experiences, including and especially when JS is disabled (or erroring).
verdverm
The have Rust now so the entire tooling layer can justifiably be rewritten a few more times
afavour
IMO it's because the web has a huge diversity of behaviors (in a way that, say, native apps do not) but a monoculture on the development side.

React makes sense if you're making Gmail. It doesn't really make sense if you're making a mostly static blog. But because there are more job opportunities in the former (when you consider the wealth of internal web apps out there in the world) all the training courses folks take emphasize React and an app-centric way of thinking about the web.

And perhaps most importantly, it's good enough. It works. Users get by with it. And the developer experience is better than it was in the days of Backbone etc. So few push for change.

timeon
Users get by with it.

They would not if they had choice.

afavour
And they don't. Web development practices are largely driven by what developers want, not what users want. Which is why Google started doing things like measuring Core Web Vitals and having it affect SEO rankings, to force developers to care.
whatevaa
Most non-technical users have no idea what they want. They will happily request a feature to implement an email client in your database.
afavour
Fine, "what would best serve users", then.
Zanfa
React makes sense if you're making Gmail.

Except the old Gmail used to be so much faster…

shimman
Also the old Gmail never used react...
zcw100
Many technical directions in the past 15 years have been a thinly veiled attempt to actually get paid for doing work.
maelito
The trend at the time was that every website should be architected as an application, and then shipped to the user’s browser to render.

This is wrong. Some websites are better mostly (mostly) rendered on the client (we call them "apps", like a map application) and some are better mostly rendered on the server (like blogs).

It was and will be.

Squarex
What is the preffered way to do the opposite now? Not every webapp should be architected as an website.
s4i
Vite + React is the go-to recipe.
giancarlostoro
It gets worse, some teams would get x real estate on a website, and one team would use React, another Vue, another would use Angular because they owned that real estate on your site and that's what the team was best with. Astro lets you still do that, but turns it all into static content. Think of orgs the size of Google or YouTube, there are different teams responsible for what looks like a small thing but different pieces of a giant pie.
Vinnl
Whenever you think that everything old is new again and we're just retracing our steps from the past, you risk missing the lessons learned in the meantime.
__jonas
I like the idea behind Astro, I've used it for a couple websites here and there. I'm a bit worried about the complexity brought by Astro supporting all these different frameworks through its adapters, and how stable and maintainable those websites will be in the future.

For instance: I've been using Astro with Svelte to build static sites with some components that require client-side interactivity. I really like that Astro doesn't ship any JS by default and just outputs static HTML, and when I want some page to have an interactive JS component, Svelte is an option that produces a relatively small amount of client JS.

But: Using Svelte with Astro this way for static sites has been broken since August 2025. As soon as you have a conditionally rendered child component in Svelte, Astro fails to bundle the styles for it in the static output of the site, and it does that ONLY in production, which is really devious, you could build a whole site (using astro dev) without knowing and then it breaks when you deploy it.

The issue is here: https://github.com/withastro/astro/issues/14252

I don't want to be complaining about how quickly issues get addressed in an OSS project that I'm not paying for, I don't blame them for not keeping tabs on every framework integration, I just would love to build websites with the latest versions Astro and Svelte, and I unfortunately have the feeling I should have just gone with SvelteKit for a smoother experience.

giancarlostoro
I havent had a chance to fully use it in a project yet, but it is one of my favorite projects only tinker with it, I'm glad it will receive funding to keep it going. It is definitely a solid gem of open source since its not married to one single SPA framework.
__jonas
Yeah I suppose it's a tradeoff. I have had an excellent experience when not hydrating components at all, and I like their approach significantly more than other SSGs overall. My worry is just the massive scope of supporting integrations with all those frameworks AND its own .astro language / syntax AND server side rendering in addition to static generation.
mpeg
To be fair, vite does a lot of the heavy lifting when it comes to supporting extra frameworks. If you look at the code required for astro to integrate with a new technology you'll see it's relatively straightforward.

For example, here's all the code in the svelte integration: https://github.com/withastro/astro/tree/main/packages/integr...

catoAppreciator
Wow. Good callout.
catoAppreciator
Any reason you didn't use alpine for client side interactivity? When I went down the "use a framework plugin in Astro" route, I found it too jarring and reverted to alpine which I found worked well enough.
__jonas
No, not in particular, I just like Svelte's compilation-based approach, but Alpine definitely looks nice.

When the client side interactivity is very contained and small in scope I also quite like just using plain JavaScript without a framework.

MatthewPhillips
Sorry we haven't fixed this issue sooner. In this case it's a complicated CSS issue, but nevertheless I've got a fix I'm working on here:

https://github.com/withastro/astro/pull/15227

__jonas
Wow! That's a pretty impressive turnaround time from my comment to a PR, thanks for your work. I'll be happy to include this in my projects.
MatthewPhillips
I have a preview release ready, if you scroll down you'll see the instructions. If you're able to try it out and leave a comment on whether it fixes your issue it'd be a big help.
shimman
It's not complaining when said OSS project has taken $10+million in VC funding, at that point it becomes a matter of priorities and by explicitly ignoring a major issue the owners are telling you exactly what they care about (capturing that bag, not helping users).
sureglymop
I used it just with web components and pure html/js. Honestly don't even have a need for any framework with it, it's a great ssg like that already.
halfcat
Interesting. Do you just build web components instead of React/etc, and add the client:load and Astro gives you the static (fast) initial page load, and lazy loading of web components?
Aurornis
I like the concept of making frameworks pluggable with different adapters. In my experience, though, it’s dangerous to hitch your wagon to anything but the top 1 or 2 most popular adapters in a given project like this.

The JavaScript web framework ecosystem has this problem everywhere lately where frameworks try to be everything to everyone and support every use case anyone might want. It’s noble in theory but without dedicated and active maintainers for each combination there’s bound to be something left behind.

My heuristic has been to only use adapters that the core project maintainers appear to favor. The maintainers for sub-project adapters that are introduced later frequently have maintainers that come and go, with long periods where things start breaking and nobody is interested in fixing them.

koakuma-chan
I am very disappointed with Astro.

Who is this framework for?

It's been years, and they still don't support unit testing Astro Actions. They still don't support inter-island communication.

"Astro v6 is around the corner" - and the only changes are 1. refactored CLI (why? it's perfectly fine) 2. bumped zod to v4

It's great if you want to build a blog or something, but it's definitely far from great for building apps.

Don't know what they are thinking.

mpeg
On inter-island communication, I actually think less is more – I find a lot of the recent big features like this they have added unnecessarily constrain you to doing things a certain way, while the reason I liked Astro in the first place was the simplicity.

You can easily add any global store library to your project to communicate between islands from the very simple (nanostores) to more complex stuff (are people still using mobx, redux, etc?)

I actually would prefer if Astro kept the core more simple, I never understood the point of Astro components for example; always thought their game plan would be to build their own client-side framework like what remix v3 is doing, but currently their components are too limited to make them worth using over just doing everything in react, svelte, or whatever floats your boat.

koakuma-chan
Astro component is your page's entry point. It's similar to React server component. The typical flow is to fetch data in it, and pass the data to client component written in React or whatever. You can also have pages that are Astro only, without any front-end framework.
mpeg
Yeah, I know, but since by default the front-end islands are server-rendered with no hydration the lines are blurred between what you would use an .astro component for, and just using for example react.

Personally I only ever use .astro components if I'm 100% sure I will never need any client side interactivity, otherwise it's just easier to ignore them.

koakuma-chan
I mean, you have to have an .astro file if you want your route to be picked up, and then import and use React components in that file. IIRC, you cannot just directly use React.
mpeg
Oh right, yeah I get what you're saying now. Indeed I think .astro templates make sense at the page level say to define a layout, and I actually like the syntax of stuffing the server js into a frontmatter style block, it's pretty nice.
philipwhiuk
If all you are writing a blog and you're not using Substack or Squarespace or any of the other million blog hosting options you're crazy IMO.
upcoming-sesame
Why ? Spinning up a blog these days with one of these frameworks is almost quicker than signing up to one of the blog hosting platforms.

And you get to keep your data in markdown easily portable

array_key_first
You become beholden to these platforms and they're inherently not portable. There is risk here, and given the track record of Internet companies I think it's fair to say the risk is not worth it for many people.

Your costs could explode, or worse, the business could go under and you lose all your shit.

pier25
Substack only really makes sense if you want to monetize your content.
re5i5tor
If you aren’t realizing the importance of POSSE imho that’s crazy ;-)
CharlieDigital

    > They still don't support inter-island communication
Can't you just use standard DOM events for that on the client? This would work even pushing events from React to Vue to Vanilla.
koakuma-chan
That's what I did, but DX is not great. I would prefer some kind of channel API.
monooso
Who is this framework for?... It's great if you want to build a blog or something, but it's definitely far from great for building apps.

Not an Astro expert, but the massive headline at the top of the homepage may provide a clue as to their intended audience:

The web framework for content-driven websites
drawfloat
I don't think it's really targeted at building apps, as far as I can tell its whole pitch has always been that that most websites are not apps and therefore most websites do not need a full JS framework like Next.js.

They even say it in this blog:

Our mission to design a web framework specifically for building websites — what we call content-driven websites, to better distinguish from data-driven, stateful web applications — resonated
pier25
There are tons of options for sharing state between islands.

The docs show how to use nanostores but you can use other libs like vue refs, etc.

https://docs.astro.build/en/recipes/sharing-state-islands/

mmooss
I don't understand how Cloudflare's bottom line benefits:

Some here say they gain Astro users, that Cloudflare will become part of the default deployment. But given Cloudflare's current scale, how much are Astro's users worth? Is it even worth the distraction for Cloudflare? Companies lose energy to lots of small, low-value operations.

Most acquisitions begin with announcments that nothing will change, in order to retain customers and employees. They say '<acquistion> is so great, we don't want to interfere, and we're keeping existing management and letting them run things'. After the transition period - often 1 year - the old managers leave and the big changes happen, sometimes including shutting down the product because it was an acqui-hire all along or an IP acquisition.

It seems like Cloudflare must perceive some profit beyond what is announced.

tonyhart7
marketshare ???

like do you understand which company doing the same thing ????? Vercel is

now we talking, cloudflare want to extend their portofolio and product offering by integrate from top to bottom like vercel does

its doens't make sense/oblivious because we view it as standalone product rather than entire suite of product offering that well integrate vertically

mikodin
Yeah I see the benefit right off the bat, this is a direct head to Vercel and NextJS.

With that said, I have no idea on the market share or profitability of any of that or Cloudflare vs Vercel.

Also perhaps the rails that will be put in place for seamless 1 click Astro deploy will continue to push them forward with other technologies as well, so it's not just about Astro.

I do feel that fear as well, is this an unnecessary distraction for CloudFlare? Time will tell.

twelvedogs
vertical integration probably, if you sell web services helping people get to the point that they need them is worth

buying into something that becomes popular is good advertising for cheap (react is probably the only reason for any kind of goodwill at all towards facebook)

as a function of earnings this is a rounding error purchase for them

some1else
Why does Vercel provide Next.js? Aside from talent & tightly coupling Astro to their services, their North Star might be similar to Weekly Number of New Domains Hosted On Cloudflare. Sponsoring a framework that helps ship performant websites feeds into that metric.

I have no inside knowledge, though.

willtemperley
They get control and market differentiation. There will probably be a CloudFlare Astro CMS offering.

I personally would like a highly managed Astro solution. Astro is simple but highly extendable.

I can only hope they wean themselves off NPM somehow.

alexjurkiewicz
Developer goodwill. And it probably cost a song.
NicoJuicy
More devs get acquainted with Cloudflare.

Cloudflare is becoming an alternative for Azure, AWS, ... Many don't realize it yet, because they don't know what Cloudflare is offering.

nindalf
I’ve used Astro on Cloudflare for a few years for my personal website (username.com). They’ve both been absolutely fantastic, I can’t say enough good things about both of them. My website has all 100s on PageSpeed/Lighthouse, and that’s because of the performance focus of both Astro and Cloudflare. No credit to me at all. It was mainly because Astro prioritised shipping 0 JS unless it was absolutely necessary and Cloudflare is exceedingly good at serving static HTML.

But I also see the difficulty that Astro faced here. Despite being happy with the framework, I never paid for it. The paid offerings didn’t strike a chord with me. And it was partly because whatever they offered, Cloudflare already offered on a very generous free tier.

I'm glad the team have got a second life within Cloudflare,. I'm happy for the people who've given me such excellent software for free for years. Thanks folks!

snorremd
I'm in the same boat as you. I've built a personal home page with Astro and hosted it on Cloudflare. It has been really cheap, only paying for worker subscription at 5 dollars per month. The site has been running non-stop essentially without downtime. And as you say the user experience of Astro's static HTML, css and minimal JS output on Cloudflare edge CDN network is really good.

But with the events of the world being what they are I have been considering moving my Astro page to BunnyCDN and thus Europe (where I live). The only Cloudflare specific feature I've used is D1 database so migrating now shouldn't be too difficult. I really hope Cloudflare does not make it difficult to use Astro on other providers, either intentionally or by accident. Next.js for a long time was essentially a framework that only ran great on Vercel, and using other providers was asking to become a second citizen. I believe it is somewhat better now with proper provider plugin system, but still.

Astro has been great and I understand they need to find a way to economically sustain their business. Joining a big company like Cloudflare is one way to do that. I can't complain too much never having opted to use Astro's commercial offerings. So I only hope they keep Astro open. I'm building a new product on top of Astro now and would hate to see it become a Cloudflare-only product.

Congratulations to the Astro team!

ljm
Out of curiosity, how do you become ‘exceedingly good’ at serving static HTML?

By all accounts, they’ve centralised the delivery of this static HTML at several layers of the network stack, and you’re not getting static HTML anymore because some other part of the business fucked it up.

The World Wide Web was serving static HTML for decades before Cloudflare came along. Open an FTP client, drag and drop, and boom - new HTMl is served.

fartfeatures
When we talk static HTML I think that still includes images, stylesheets and potentially even very basic javascript (e.g. setting classes). Those take advantage of CDNs; Cloudflare have an extensive CDN with decent latency / locations. They also are a DNS registrar and a lot of people use them for their local DNS provider so again latency benefits. That's before we talk about the DDoS protection, injecting stuff like metrics etc etc. I don't want to sound like a Cloudflare rep here but I can see where this user is coming from.
kevinskii
Likewise! I built my personal blog with Astro and host on Cloudflare (username.dev), and feel guilty about taking advantage of such excellent software and free tier. Here’s hoping they find a way to take my money soon.
deepfriedbits
I appreciate your honest testimonial. It's so rare these days to read a sentence like, "No credit to me at all" haha
BenGosub
amazing performance.
phartenfeller
Why does Cloudflare need a web framework? Most obvious would be they think they can make money from hosting astro sites (like Vercel and NextJS). I hope Cloudflare's impact on Astro will be tiny. But another great thing being swallowed by big tech...
arcfour
This is overly cynical without reason. CloudFlare is hardly "big tech" even if it is a "big" "tech" company. They have no record of killing or abusing open source projects.
blibble
CloudFlare is hardly "big tech"

yeah, it's still losing money

phartenfeller
Maybe not by market capitalization but Cloudflare is used by around 25 % of the web. Internet giant in my books.
arcanemachiner
But another great thing being swallowed by big tech...

I will never use Cloudflare if I can help it, but this outcome is preferable to Astro becoming abandonware.

phartenfeller
There are so many more options than being acquired and abandonware. Its hard but there are many independent and stable open source projects.
dvtkrlbs
They are using astro starlight for their docs page and using astro itself in number of their landing pages.
dkhenry
Astro on Cloudflare workers has been my goto stack for multiple years now. I am very happy with it, and hope this makes the integration stronger.

Now we just need Cloudflare to buy one of the DBaaS companies so they have a solid relational offering.

samtp
Even just having a better DX/UI around D1 and their other current offerings would be a great start
jtbaker
I'd love to see D1 as a supported catalog for https://ducklake.select/
hdra
I noticed the astro docs has lot of mention of Cloudflare worker as well, is there any reason why you didnt go with Cloudflare pages instead? I’d have guessed pages would be the perfect fit for hosting a rendered astro website
upcoming-sesame
What about Cloudflare D1?
dkhenry
D1 is fine when it fits the use case, but most of the time I just want Postgres that I will use for absolutely everything. It has happened often enough that I have tried to make systems work with other storage systems, and eventually just give up and revert to Postgres. Every time I just start with Postgres I don't have issues until it turns out my laziness has caused a performance problem, and those I can fix.
nozzlegear
I'm a little wary of this. I'd been using Gatsby for my static websites for a long time, until it got eaten up by Netlify and then sunset; I switched over to Astro at that point, but now I'm getting a sense of déjà vu.
brunoarueira
I had moved out from Gatsby to Astro on my blog/site (username.com), mostly because the enormous dependency hell full of security issues, I know it's just things to generate static files, but it was causing a lot of headaches to upgrade and remove the issues. With Astro, I receive a lot less issues and the maintenance is easier! From my perspective if Cloudflare keep it that way, it'll be a win.
nozzlegear
I had moved out from Gatsby to Astro on my blog/site (username.com), mostly because the enormous dependency hell full of security issues, I know it's just things to generate static files, but it was causing a lot of headaches to upgrade and remove the issues.

That's exactly what made me move to Astro. I would've been happy sticking with Gatsby since it still technically does what it says on the tin, but there were so many security warnings and issues with upgrading dependencies that I gave up.

jakubmazanec
Gatsby was sunset because it was a bad framework build on bad decisions[1]. I tried to use it when it was new, and it was immediately obvious that "GraphQL for everything" leads to horrible DX.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39619110

nozzlegear
It was definitely a terrible DX, I remember having trouble wrapping my head around querying for blog posts inside my blog post component instead of receiving them as props. But I was using a custom F# + asp.net blog engine I'd written for what amounted to a static site, so I just switched to that Gatsby thing I'd been hearing a lot about at the time.
piffey
Just setup my personal blog again after a four years hiatus using Astro (loved the good docs). Kind of disappointed, but given how simple static site generators are, probably something Claude could crank out easily with parity of features I actually use then wouldn't be beholden to any project's creators.
jcmfernandes
Damn. What alternatives does HN recommend?
pousada
HTML.

Unironically have been migrating my static pages (from Nextjs and Eleventy) to plain HTML and love it. Of course depends on your use case if that is feasible.

azangru
Plain html has two things going against it.

First, it doesn't have any provisions for code reuse. So, if you have multiple pages that use the same header, same footer, or same navigation menu, your options are either to copy-paste it (gross), or to build the final html out of smaller pieces, at which point you've reinvented either a static site generator or a web server.

Second, if you write long stretches of text, the html markup can get in the way, as opposed to unobtrusiveness of something like markdown.

H1Supreme
at which point you've reinvented either a static site generator ...

It doesn't have to be Astro though. You can build something super simple that just includes the header, footer, and nav. Leaving most of the site as plain HTML.

azangru
Yes; that's Eleventy. Or Hugo. Or Jekyll. They are extremely simple, without the bells and whistles of Astro.
pjmlp
Or I don't know, use WebComponents.
azangru
How would this help? You would want your header render on the server, wouldn't you? Not to incur a CLS penalty, right? How does a web component help in this scenario?
pjmlp
You use server includes in that case, a simple Apache configuration.

Welcome to the 1990's web coding.

pousada
Yea I think I’ll write my own static generator that just combines 3 templates for header/body/footer and converts markdown from the body. Should be fun project.

I’m tired of the constant update pressure from existing solutions and I only need something dead simple.

jrnichols
Same, and I was starting to feel kind of strange doing anything in html/php in 2026 but then I looked at everything else and realized I'd have to start from scratch again. Plain ol' HTML has worked great.
azangru
Eleventy, of course :-)

But why are you looking for alternatives already?

throwawa71973
Dropped eleventy recently.

Disliked the templating solutions, the messy documentation, the loss in momentum, and liked a lot of the stuff (especially the tooling and principles) in astro.

Also strongly disliked how political eleventy got.

I just wanted a website, not a an internal debate about what I am potentially being absorbed into. I can vote, and spend money on donations, I don't need to enact change through my tech stack.

jcmfernandes
I'm not! Just preparing myself for the worst-case scenario and creating some bookmarks meanwhile.
arcanemachiner
Well, there's this other project that recently secured funding from a company that has a proven track record of supporting great open-source projects like Astro, TanStack, and Hono without trying to capture or lock anything down.

There's even an article about it somewhere.

hydroxideOH-
I recently rebuilt my site with Parcel + React Server Components. RSC are designed to solve many of the same problems that Astro does. And Parcel is “just” a bundler and not a framework, so it has less magic and gives you more control.

https://micahcantor.com/blog/rsc-rewrite.html

porker
https://lume.land/ a good, straightforward SSG.

There's one other I've seen recently that looked good but I have misplaced the link

evantbyrne
I experimented a lot with bootstrapping React projects this past fall, and Astro was by far the least painful to use. Notably, it was the least goofy of all of the React starter kits to use for server API development.
pjmlp
Mastering HTML, CSS and vanilajs.

Then one is pretty much safe from framework tides.

victorbjorklund
Oh no. This isn’t good. I’m glad that the team gets a payout but as an Astro user I don’t love it being owned by CF and that the goals of the project (at least indirectly) goes from the best way to deploy it to the best way to deploy it using CF.
sp4cec0wb0y
I don't anticipate it changing like that. You still do a build using Vite and deploy the static assets. How could they change that to make it difficult to host elsewhere?
victorbjorklund
Let’s hope you’re right. I think vendor lock in is possible if they focus on features tightly coupled to Cloudflare. Look at Next.js. In theory you can deploy it anywhere, but in practice it is harder outside Vercel because of tight coupling around things like caching. You do not have to use those features, but if the framework is built to expect them, it pushes people into that platform. I can imagine Astro becoming very attractive to use with Cloudflare Workers and slowly locking people into that model.
dvtkrlbs
It is not similar imho. First NextJS build system is not really exposed apart from a simple docker example and all advanced features of NextJS is kinda coupled to Vercel. For Astro it is just a Vite project with integration designed from day mind they would have to rip everything apart and that would probably cause a prominent fork. The other part is Cloudflare is not dependent Astro being vendor locked as much as Vercel being dependent on NextJS being vendor locked.
gulugawa
I found that Vite does a great job of deploying static websites. All I had to do was add Vite as a dev dependency in my pacakge.json and make sure all the page routes in vite.config.js.

I've been skeptical about trying Astro because it seems to have unnecessary complexity. Also, I don't see any evidence that Cloudflare is going to prioritize making Astro easier to use.

Otterlord
What in Astro would make it easier to use? Or, what makes it more complex to use than you'd like? We're always open to feedback!
gulugawa
The first thing I would do is stop trying to support AI tools, and remove any comments about AI from the documentation.

Generative AI is not suitable for building content-driven websites because it lacks context to understand subjective user preferences.

Also, having .astro files to implement island functionality is unnecessary. Interactivity can be implemented with Javascript using web components.

Otterlord
Yeah, I agree on the AI front. Although outside of the AI page, I don't believe we have other content on it. It was intentional to keep it separate from the rest of the docs. I know we've recently discussed making changes / removing some of that content.

I love web components (one of the things that got me into Astro), but it can be helpful to reach for something like Solid when you get into more complex UI. Most Astro projects will never need to reach for that, which is why there's no UI framework available by default.

Astro definitely tries to stick to a minimal defaults approach by design. We'd rather people start from a simple, minimal boilerplate, and reach for solutions (e.g. UI frameworks, on-demand rendering) only when they run into a problem it solves.

85392_school
What are you doing about repeated content?
w10-1
I agree a good exit for devtools is good for devtools. I'd like to understand it better.

The Astro claim is that astro developers will all continue full-time on it. So why acquire it instead of supporting it?

The reason given in complementarity (content and infrastructure), but doesn't that mean that Cloudflare is moving into content? Perhaps it's fair to say some content fits better with Cloudflare, or making it easier to just have static sites is beneficial to Cloudflare?

Is there a convention about announcements, for the acquired to announce happily first to bring customers, and then the acquirer to confirm their benign intentions? When can we expect Cloudflare's take?

re-thc
The Astro claim is that astro developers will all continue full-time on it. So why acquire it instead of supporting it?

In defense? Someone else can acquire it.

sixo
So why acquire it instead of supporting it?

Lots of reasons, but above all, control.

Imustaskforhelp
From a developer perspecive, I was going to go "Ahh shit here we go again"

But to be really honest, thinking more about it. atleast from an "AI" bubble perspective, Cloudflare is pretty rock solid and isn't involved in the AI bubble deals whereas vercel has

If you were to use cloudflare workers say the past few months, you would've noticed some serious UI/UX improvements and its projects highlighted astro template was one of the first things (I think second was sveltekit iirc)

Anyways thinking about it now, I am sure that cloudflare must have been in talks with them for quite some time and they had the astro deployments on cloudflare workers so they must have seen its usage and other data we have no idea about to justify this purchase

That being said, I had been part of astro community almost exactly the time they had partnered up with turso (It was my holidays so I wanted to build a website from scratch, I sadly lost it but it was really cool and it had BMO from adventure time's pixel art that I lost oof :<)

So I was in their discord when they had just joined turso for astro DB and at that point, you couldn't host it locally (some tried with wasm) not sure what's the reality now though. But its interesting to see this because cloudflare offers a turso (serverless sqlite) alternative as Cloudflare D1, So we might see Astro shift to d1?

Once again, I have not been part of community for almost around 1-2 years so I don't know the current state of Astro aside from tweaking around making my own custom editor in bun for some astro templates (astro templates are really cool)

Perhaps, we are gonna see astro templates website + cloudflare workers to create an instant deployment of astro templates on cloudflare workers as a first class citizen. Honestly I would love that because cf workers/pages are free/cheapest in the whole market.

I hope that Astro still stays local first and still its serverless features can benefit everybody and not just cloudflare (looking at you vercel for nextjs)

Otterlord
Yep, Astro is and will always be platform-agnostic!
kylecazar
Great for Astro..

About the download stats for open source frameworks and libraries.. I keep reading claims of "millions of weekly downloads" -- surely this is a noisy metric, right?

NPM just counts GET requests. A significant number of those must be from CI/CD pipelines, mirrors, build servers, etc.

It still signals popularity, but probably to a much lesser degree than implied.

wiether
How to measure the popularity of FOSS projects though?

Number of downloads? Number of stars on GH? Number of content on social medias?

The absolute value is meaningless in itself, but there's a big difference between a library that is downloaded a thousand or millions of times each week. That's the idea.

Meanwhile for-profit projects have actual customers or revenues to demonstrate popularity.

1718627440
Availability in Debian, is the measure I personally use.
shimman
VC still use github stars as a viable metric, at some point you have to say aloud that they are basically engaging in shammanism and ritual sacrifices.
quentindanjou
After Netlify acquired GatsbyJS, I am not very hopeful about the future of Astro. I hope to be wrong because Astro is a great framework.
azangru
It still baffles me why Netlify did that. Gatsby seemed to have already been dying, even before the acquisition; and it didn't look like Netlify was planning to invest in it.
ascorbic
Netlify didn't buy Gatsby for the framework. They wanted the hosting business and the GraphQL thing. They said this at the time, and it's true. It was barely resourced. Cloudflare is only interested in the framework (because Astro has nothing else).

Source/disclosure: I worked at Gatsby, Netlify, Astro and Cloudflare

azangru
Why did they want Gatsby's graphQL thing? What was attractive about it?
ascorbic
Seemed a good idea at the time. The unified data layer was always the best thing about Gatsby (which is why I nicked the idea for the Astro content layer), but maybe not as a hosted product
yusufnb
I have always liked Astro. It also works great with AI tools since its combination of markdown and code. Was able to vibe code a quick blog template and deploy to cloudflare in minutes with an existing headless backend - https://sleekcms-astro-blog.pages.dev/
gulugawa
This is making me even less interested in trying Astro.

Websites should not be vibe coded.

Firehawke
So.. just because a tool can be potentially mishandled (e.g. put in the hands of a toddler, which is basically what vibe code ends up being) because it's easy to use, you never want to take a look at said tool?

That sounds like shooting yourself in the foot out of pure spite, but you do you.

yusufnb
The code is vibe-coded. Not the content. Which I think is more important for a blog site.
bilater
Astro to Cloudflare, Bun to Anthropic. Good trend seeing people toiling away at OS financially rewarded.
TiredOfLife
Big difference is that Anthropic blocks competitors from using its products (they literally cut direct api access. Or even through 3rd party like Cursor).
itsafarqueue
Two whole projects. A stampede.
bilater
big beloved projects
pier25
Astro is amazing. I've been using it for a couple of years now. Initially only for static sites but now I'm building the UI of all my web projects with it.

I wonder if there will be some sort of collab between Hono and Astro given that Yusukue also works at Cloudflare.

TurdF3rguson
This is the main thing for me. If I can keep the cf workers backend in the same repo and deploy them together I will consider leaving Next.js for good.
upcoming-sesame
Yup, there's a lot of overlap especially with the HonoX framework that has island architecture as well!
KetanKhairnar
Been running my technical knowledge base on Astro for about a year now (ketankhairnar.com). Congrats to the team on the acquisition - here's what stood out from a product/engineering perspective:

Content modeling that actually scales. Built a three-tier system: Concepts (foundational knowledge) → Deep Dives (series-based learning paths) → Systems (production case studies). Each concept tracks prerequisites, related topics, interview relevance by level (L5-L8), and links back to which deep dives use it. Zod validates everything at build time. This isn't a blog template - it's a knowledge graph with static output.

Islands architecture delivers on its promise. React hydrates only for search (Fuse.js across all content types) and a few interactive bits. Rest is zero-JS HTML. Coming from years of Next.js, the bundle size difference is stark. Users on flaky mobile connections notice.

Extensibility without framework lock-in. Wrote a custom Shiki transformer for ASCII diagram highlighting - ERROR renders red, FIX green, DECISION orange. Dynamic OG images generated at build via Satori+Resvg. No Lambda cold starts, no external services, just static assets. Infra cost: basically zero.

View Transitions shipped before others figured it out. One import, smooth page transitions. Small detail, big UX lift.

Where it gets tricky: Complex content relationships require multiple getCollection() calls and manual joins. Works fine, but a query builder would help for sites with heavy cross-linking. Also, the content layer is powerful but documentation assumes simpler use cases.

Product observation: Astro found a real gap - content sites that need occasional interactivity but don't want SPA overhead. Most frameworks optimize for apps and retrofit content. Astro did the opposite and it shows.

Curious how Cloudflare integration plays out. Edge rendering + this content model could be interesting for personalization without sacrificing static performance.

yawnxyz
Surprised this isn't in the article, but Cloudflare has been moving all their docs to Astro's Starlight docs framework. I'm guessing this is a way to prioritize features for Cloudflare:

https://blog.cloudflare.com/open-source-all-the-way-down-upg...
buu700
Coincidentally, I just migrated some support docs to Starlight a few hours before this acquisition announcement. Really nice framework.
fr3dx
It is mentioned in the cloudflare blog post[1]

At Cloudflare, we use Astro, too — for our developer docs, website, landing pages, and more

[1] https://blog.cloudflare.com/astro-joins-cloudflare/

kjgkjhfkjf
Cloudflare's goal is to become the default choice for anyone deploying an app to the cloud. It makes sense for them to support popular frameworks such as Astro, so that they can ensure that the frameworks work very well on their Workers platform.
dzogchen
Anyone except users that need to serve the German market. Due to peering issues with the biggest German ISP that have been unresolved for years, websites hosted with Cloudflare simply don’t load in the evening.
fnoef
Welp, I'm worried. I like Astro, but maybe it's time to make my own SSG, to not ever end up in the hand of a few big-sharks that consolidate and enshittify everything.
sieep
jumped on the same train, still using astro in production but on the side im using Elixir to create an SSG to use moving forward for anything new.
adzm
Fork it and call it Cosmo
cdrnsf
I don’t want a framework that’s coupled to a hosting provider.
pier25
It's not and will probably never be.

If you want some precedent look at Hono. Initially it was just for the CF Workers runtime (not developed by CF). Then CF started using Hono internally and hired the dev to work on Hono full time. Hono works on any JS runtime.

https://hono.dev/docs/concepts/web-standard

cdrnsf
I suppose we’ll see — I’d be surprised if the whole promise of nothing will change don’t hold over the long term. I don’t love that Astro is tied to a narrow set of hosting providers either.
pier25
Astro runs on many JS runtimes. It can be deployed anywhere.
Alifatisk
Wow, these are the same people behind Pika/Skypack and Snowpack. I can remember the day when they announced the Astro project, and now it's joining Cloudflare, incredible progress.
jtbaker
I'm glad they were able to pivot into Astro when Vite won the hot dev server game a few years back.
akmittal
I hope CLoudflare or another tech company buy deno. Deno is great, its lacking a big brand sponsorship.
bobnamob
Cloudflare are neck deep in v8 as their js runtime of choice. I doubt they'll be looking for another any time soon
8cvor6j844qw_d6
What's the next best/popular alternative to Astro?

Used this for a portfolio site and and not sure if this news is good or bad for its future.

supernes
I'm not jumping off Astro yet, but if I did I would probably go to Vike (https://vike.dev/)
827a
Astro is my favorite way to build websites (at least, of the kind its great at) and I'm happy for the team; Cloudflare is a super cool place to work. Excited to see in what directions this will develop. They have a real shot at being the next Next.
stared
I love Astro - migrated my blog there (here it was a gradual improvement), migrated company website there (here a lot, to joy of everyone). In the times of vibe coding, there is much less reason to use WYSWIG website editors. In our company, a non-technical assistant, modified website with Claude Code.

I hope that this acquisition will go well. It would be sad to lose this great framework. At the same time, we deploy on Cloudflare. So their business is to keep Astro cool so that more people will use Claudflare, it would be a win-win!

mattgreenrocks
Hope that SSR remains first class as time goes on. I think Astro’s DX is superb overall, and am bullish on server-rendered components in MPAs with a sprinkling of hypermedia libs for better UX.

Some features of my SSR-based side project feel like I had to hack them on, such as a hook that runs only on app start (hacked in via middleware) or manually needing to set cache control headers for auth’d content.

All in all, really happy with it. And it isn’t next.js.

frivx
is astro any good ? havent tried it yet
efilife
It's very simple to use. I tried a few static site generators and Astro gave me the most freedom and was the most approachable, pretty much no learning curve. You can use it with MULTIPLE web frameworks at the same time so it's pretty damn great. It gives you many options to do one thing so you can do things your way which is a delight for tinkerers
pantulis
Adobe could have benefited from doing this acquisition but they can be somewhat forgiven as they are already pushing Edge Delivery Services which is based in NextJS although it's a different approach. Combined with the Universal Editor they have a solid headless authoring setup for enterprise CMS.

But I really feel like Akamai is who dropped the ball here, this was a low hanging fruit for them and they're lacking offering this capability to offer their corporate clients as they transition to full headless. Now it's going to be their competition (Cloudflare, even Fastly through Adobe & the EDS push) who will try to take a portion of their cake.

mb2100
Congrats to Fred and team! Developing and maintaining a complex framework takes lots of funding, and I’m glad Astro found a new home that provides that.

With [Mastro], we have a different approach. The name originally stood for "minimal Astro", and we’re staying true to that. At just ~700 lines of TypeScript, Mastro will always be easily maintainable – even if by just a single person. And it's amazing how much you can do if you're very deliberate in your API's design.

[Mastro]: https://mastrojs.github.io/

rimmontrieu
This is a great news for Astro. It ticks all the boxes when being used to build heavy content and SEO driven websites. I've been using (Astro + Cloudflare workers/pages) as my go-to stack to build my Java gamedev resources website[1] and gaming portal[2], so far and the experience is very positive. Deploying static files to Cloudflare edges feels natural and frictionless.

Still a bit concerned that it might be too tempting to build an entire website infrastructure around cloudflare, which is a single point of failure. But there is really no better alternatives at the moment. I tried self-hosting but eventually resorted to cloudflare because of bad bots, ai, scrappers kept hammering on my sites.

[1] https://raizensoft.com/tutorials/ [2] https://ookigame.com

mpeg
This is cool, I use astro when I just want to spin up a quick site without having to fight the framework (looking at you, Nextjs) and the main thing I disliked was the initiatives around paid extras they had going

Astro and Tanstack are probably the best full-stack routers these days, and Astro wins in terms of the wide support for almost any client-side tech

tin7in
Astro is great and I hope they keep improving after the acquisition.

Given what agents can do, I feel a lot of the sites built on Webflow, Framer and so on will move to code and Astro is a great framework for this.

MaintenanceMode
I love astro, it's been such a pleasure to use and totally solved my need for a flexible platform. I managed to retire a bunch of Wordpress sites and I've never looked back. Hopefully I can still run it on netlify.
weli
Nice. I love astro and I love cloudflare. Most of my static pages are that stack.
bastawhiz
I've been using Astro for a couple years and it's delightful. I actually started using it for my docs because I saw Cloudflare was using it. I hope they are a good steward of the tech!
bryanhogan
My favorite framework, and what has brought me much deeper into the world of web development. It's what I have used for me personal page https://bryanhogan.com/ . I'm happy to see it get funding, although I hope this doesn't introduce entshittification. So far I'm hopeful though.

It's the first framework I recommend to web dev beginners, after they have built something with plain HTML and CSS.

Havoc
I hope they maintain a clear path to delay separately too.

With these sort of combinations the deploy to cloudflare button gets ever bigger than over time. And then features get added that only work with CF and eventually it’s still open source but only half the stuff works standalone etc

That said - good for them.

BenGosub
All wrongs in Gatsby have been gotten right in Astro. What will happen next remains to be seen, but currently Astro is amazing for a few specific cases it covers. The performance, developer experience and documentation are all great.
stefanos82
I hope they've got rewarded astro...nomically well lol!

My apologies friends, I could not resist!

Congrats Astro team!

maxencecornet
Very unexpected but it's a great match. I have been using Astro with Cloudflare Pages and the dev UX is fantastic
lifetimerubyist
So this is what happens to open source now? It runs out of money and one of the big corpos gobbles it up. Lovely.

I think donating to the Apache Foundation is preferable.

naiv
Love Astro and it is exactly my stack with Cloudflare but wow, the "Forward-Looking Statements" disclaimer is longer than the press release itself
endorphine
Is that a good deal for the employees of Astro? They're now Cloudflare employees, which I guess looks good on your CV.

But do such acquihires usually result in higher salaries for regular (non-leadership) employees or? Also, what about NSOs?

re5i5tor
I use Astro deployed on Cloudflare, blog-newsletter kind of site[1], moved over from Hugo. If this keeps Astro viable then it seems like a net win.

[1] https://cto4.ai

bot_user_7a2b99
This is great news for the Astro team. Cloudflare has been doing a lot of good things for the open source community lately.
jasona123
Only mildly surprising - Astro + CF Pages/Workers have been my go-to for when I want to spin up a static site or do anything else and it does feel like they've been really working on the integration between the two.
bigblind
i'd personalloy love a quick video demo on the home screen, with someone walking through the experience of using the app; other than that, looks interesting;
endorphine
Now Astro is downloaded almost 1,000,000 times per week [...]

Are these numbers supposed to provide any sense of the popularity if you're not often looking at npm trends?

Strongbad536
ITT People arguing about how cloudflare is gonna unfairly favor their own platform and lock people in by making easier to deploy astro sites as if you can't already do it just by connecting a git repo to cloudflare pages with 1 click.
shibel
Astro is great. It checks all of my checkboxes. I hope this is not the beginning of the end.
ramon156
Perfect direction! Astro has been incredible for small static pages. CF workers are also really easy to impl
isodev
Oh wow, Cloudflare enschitification is practically in real time right now.
chrisweekly
Crossing fingers (but not holding breath) this doesn't lead to vendor lock-in or otherwise wreck Astro.
kylehotchkiss
Cloudflare doesn't need to vendor lock astro like vercel needed to vendor lock next. They have a massive amount of other things to sell.
etchalon
Vercel buys frameworks. Cloudflare does the same.

We all lose while they all tell us we're winning.

pcthrowaway
I'm incredibly relieved they didn't join Vercel (which everyone else seems to be doing these days).
mmarian
Makes perfect sense. I use Astro with Cloudflare for all my frontend projects.
skeptrune
This news made my morning. I can't wait to see how they improve Astro build times and hosting on Cloudflare.
slfreference
This spam LLM account "MarkusAllen" (towards the very end) could be used by an adversory to discredit books / courses /"youtube channel" they link to. This is reverse psychology attack vector made possible by an LLM.
angelfangs
Tried Astro after being utterly confused with Hugo templating and found it rather over-engineered. Went with 11tty instead and don't regret it.
GutenYe
Congrats! I love Astro and published an i18next plugin https://github.com/gutenye/astro-i18next
sidcool
Cloudflare is getting into static site hosting game, like Vercel.
tnolet
Refreshing to see an acquisition (acquihire?) that just plainly says they were not able to monetize.
saltytostitos
Cloudflare: Astro Vercel: NuxtLabs, Next. All open source. What a strange competition.
hexbin010
I knew it was too good to last hah

Congratulations!

alexpadula
Awesome!
ndsipa_pomu
Did they just break Cloudflare?
suyash
Another open source framework likely be dead soon, what are the alternatives ?
guihubie
Astro is life!
ramesh31
Vercel 2.0
promiseofbeans
I’ve been expecting this for a while - their last few releases have all had big features included for their cloudflare adapter
wahnfrieden
This sucks