RIP Val Kilmer: Real Genius .. the Film Nerd Culture Deserves (2015)
Back when I was probably 16, so '86, I came across Robert Woodhead, probably on Usenet, probably with some mention that he worked on the movie. So I sent him an e-mail and told him how much I loved the movie. He wrote back and told me a little about the computer graphics that he did for the movie. So every time I see some of the graphics scenes, I think of him.
A few days ago I was watching a Youtube video "10 things you didn't know about Real Genius", and it showed those computer graphics.
And I thought "I wonder what he's up to." Turns out he's done some kind of interesting things, has a github, etc. So, I fired off another e-mail to him ("I'm sure you don't remember, but back in '86 you graciously replied to an e-mail I sent you and I've often thought of that kindness.") He happens to live where I visit typically a couple times a year, so we've set up going out to coffee.
2 e-mails, 40 years apart, and then this. Coincidences, man.
Question authority, and question your own role in the power structure. It's a moral imperative.
No one bullies harder than the nerds around here. Such a hateful bunch of ignorant fools.
Of course, that doesn't apply to everyone here, for sure -- some people are absolutely lovely, like DonHopkins -- but perhaps 90%.
But that's always the problem with majorities, they follow the lead of their leader, and damn their conscience and other points of view, wielding their power like a cudgel. They tend to bully minorities of every kind, especially ideological minorities.
There is nothing more important than compassion, and only the truth is its equal.
No one bullies harder than the nerds around here. Such a hateful bunch of ignorant fools.
I’m not sure if this is true. We’re all people, and people have tendencies to other others and seek belonging, that can hurt people.
I don’t think this community is particularly bad. And I’ll add that it’s probably the most “civil” of all the sites I’ve used over the years (usenet, slashdot, fark, lobste.rs, kuroshin, plastic, digg, reddit, netslaves, 4chan).
Ignorant fools, perhaps. But bullies, I don’t think so.
Years ago, if you so much as suggested that a software developer had any ethical culpability when their software was used for evil, you'd have the entire peanut gallery at your throat. "How dare you blame the developer. It's his manager's fault! It's the company's fault! He can't control how his software is used! He's just implementing a turret pointing algorithm. It's not his fault who the user aims it at!"
I think years of seeing the real-world fallout of ethically questionable tech projects is finally starting to soften that stance. You're not just pushing protobufs around. Look up once in a while and see how your work is being deployed! You're doing this!
Heavy lifting for a silly 80s comedy movie.
From the perspective of conspiratorial thinking, fringe “I’m special because I see the surprising, simple real key to everything” economic schools, and anti-enlightenment politics :-(
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man_(The_Twilight_Zon...
I recommended them to see "Top Secret" when I was in 9th Grade. My Catholic parents!
They came home and my mother said, "We are never listening to a movie recommendation from you ever again."
God knew what those Catholic priests had been up to.
And now that my parents are in love with that orange demagogue, I see God's humor and justice.
My parents used to be good people, but I'm not sad, it's their choice, and we each reap what we sow, for good or ill, in perfect harmony with our choices. My phone is open to them, but they don't call, because -- evidently -- it's hard for a person to dial a phone with their head up their arse. One can only help the willing.
They have taught me that how one is in the beginning is not nearly as important as how one evolves and whereto. Once I stopped pitying myself, I stopped pitying others, and instead embraced empathy, compasson, and generosity.
My sophomore year, when getting a ride from my state champion teammate, I don't know what I said, but he just turned to me and said,
McCall, you're a neeeerrrrrd.
It wasn't bullying, because I've never been bullied, but I was -- and am -- a nerd.
And, yeah, "Real Genius" got a lot of play on HBO back then. I especially loved the Lazlo storyline, and "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" is such a GREAT song.
In my typology of bullies, there's the archetypal "unhappy at home" kind of bully who is troubled and traumatized and takes it out on other people. After-school specials will teach you that all bullies are like that, but in my experience, they were relatively rare in real life. The more common type, who accounted for almost all of the bullying, were the "protecting community standards" bullies, who were happy and popular and bullied people as a public service, sometimes even for the good of the victim. When people did something disruptive or destructive to the community, like being gay, thinking they were as good as people that they weren't as good as, or talking to a jock's girlfriend, the community needed to be repaired, and the violator needed to be put on a more healthy path in life. As budding community leaders, the jocks naturally stepped into that role, especially when physical work was required.
I managed to escape bullying in high school by being incredibly bland and repressing any inappropriate social ambitions (i.e., any at all) but I could see from cases around me that if there had been anything socially disturbing about me, a strong effort would have been made to correct the situation.
I'll be watching Heat instead of this :)
If anything I wish it had not been a comedy but rather a more serious film with the same cast. They only touched on but could have done more with the psychology of these young, awkward, hormone-fueled "geniuses" falling in among some of the most awkward and smartest other young people in the world. Those who have always been the smartest in school now finding themselves ranking maybe somewhere in the middle among their new cohorts. And of course all the heightened awkwardness of being away from your parents for the first time in co-ed living arrangements....
Now, where can one find the review the film deserves? This is definitely not it.
Real Genius is a great film in many ways, marred only by the assumption that a military laser is a bad thing to be working on
I wouldn't call it "marred" like it was a small detail in an otherwise good movie. It's pretty much the central lesson of the movie. The whole third act was about the ethics of working on weapons, particularly how engineers, if they're not careful, will focus on the "cool technology" aspect and fail to account for the real application(s) of their work. If you really think working on weapons would be neat, I'm not sure what there is left for you to get out of Real Genius.
RIP Val Kilmer
I will not be pawed at. Thank you very much
I know, how about a spelling contest?!
It’s been a while since I’ve seen Tombstone (I think I’ll watch this evening in tribute), but even with that I have the exact tonality of all the quotes listed here replaying perfectly in my head.
Genius performance.
I never sleep, I don't know why. I had a roommate and I drove her nuts, I mean really nuts, they had to take her away in an ambulance and everything. But she's okay now, but she had to transfer to an easier school, but I don't know if that had anything to do with being my fault. But listen, if you ever need to talk or you need help studying just let me know, 'cause I'm just a couple doors down from you guys and I never sleep, okay?
A film that started a life long love affair of phones with keyboards (hacking scenes with one of the original Nokia 9000 phones, which I have owned the 9290 and e90). It featured some of the same smirking jokey presence that Kilmer was known for, but with more action and political intrigue.
One guy gets up and starts screaming in frustration at the book and then the room and finally runs out.
Everyone looks up briefly like nothing happened and then somebody gets up and takes his seat, like "oh look, a more comfortable study chair."
I found this site years (decades!) ago, and was happy to discover it's still there:
https://monkeybagel.com/culture/movies.html
The blurb there for _Real Genius_:
The most accurate portrayal of geeks in the wild I've ever seen. The geeks in Real Genius LOOK, ACT and TALK like geeks. And Jordan gave me hope that I'd someday -- just maybe -- kiss a girl on the lips.
I remember a discussion of this film on a long-running private listserv back in the late 90s or early 00s about possible real-world antecedents for some of the characters, including and especially Jordan. A proto-web site existed for this person where she elaborated on her connection to the writers of the film, and more or less confirmed that she was "Jordan", or at least the inspo for it, but of course I can find no trace of this now.
Anyway, between TOP SECRET, REAL GENIUS, WILLOW, TOMBSTONE, HEAT, and TOP GUN, he's about as inconic as an actor can get. For a dose of maybe less blockbustery work, seek out 2002's THE SALTON SEA where Kilmer is joined by Adam Goldberg, Luis Guzman, Anthony LaPaglia, Peter Sarsgaarad, BD Wong, R. Lee Ermey (!) and in a spectacular turn Vincent D'Onofrio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajLjmtyx0_o&list=PL0r_mFZtkX...
I still watch this movie and encourage my son to watch it with me.
Thank you and rest in peace, Mr. Kilmer.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43554329
there are already a couple of posts on val kilmers death
Why do you wear that toy on your head?" "Because if I wear it anywhere else, it...chafes
What's that?" "A laser beam, bozo!" "What are we supposed to do?" "Follow it!
Your stutter has improved" "I've been giving myself shock treatment" "...Up the voltage
You're laborers, you're supposed to be laboring. That's what you get for not having an education!
It's a coherent beam of light" "So that means it talks?
Of course, the non-quote where one of the kids at the study table stands up, screams repeatedly, and leaves, and with no reaction one of the kids at the periphery of the room moves to sit in his place.
And of course: "If there's ever anything I can do for you, or, more to the point, to you..." "Can you hammer a six inch spike through a board with your penis?" "Well, not right now..."
Real Genius had a significant impact on me...
Heh when Mitch goes to her dorm in the middle of the night and she’s using one of those giant floor sanders to refinish her dorm room floor is pretty effing funny.
where one of the kids at the study table stands up, screams repeatedly, and leaves, and with no reaction one of the kids
Also the part where they are gassing Kent in his dorm room, and another student passes them by with just a "hey" and keeps walking while they are wearing gas masks and clearly Up To No Good.
A classic "show, don't tell" example as you have all the information you need to know about the sort of place this school is from that scene.
I think I'm getting brain fry!
OK Mitch, I'm gonna make it up to you. Let's just pause...take a step back. No, I was wrong, I'm sorry: take a step forward. Now, take a step back...and now we're cha cha-ing!
I still use this when pair debugging.
Would you classify that as a launch problem, or a design problem?
"They're beauticians?!" "Not yet"
These military types are so untrusting
He was in some great films. What a legend.
This remains my favorite movie and the inspiration for me to go into STEM when I saw it as a 10-year-old.
Kilmer was a rare, if difficult, talent, and I'm so sorry we lost him so early.
Tombstone and Saint were such nice movies too. Underrated, with a distinct comedic touch. A talent gone before his time.
Also, not sure if you missed it, but Manhattan Project was part of the trifecta for me from that era that fed my desire to grow up to do intellectually difficult things.
The article is from 2015, but Kilmer died yesterday (April 1, 2025).
I thought "Real Genius" and "Film Nerd" was referring to "Val Kilmer", like it was saying "RIP Val Kilmer, a real genius and film nerd that culture deserves" instead of "RIP Val Kilmer, who worked at Real Genius, the film that nerd culture deserves".
I must say that I never heard about this movie and I'm happy that this is a recommendation of a 80s movie
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